The biggest question is – should you be stressed in a game you’re suppose to playing for fun? Challenged absolutely, but if its stressful somewhere someone lost the point of making a game in the first place. Not an uncommon criticism for WOW.

and i wouldn’t rely on the ice-lance thing alone – first use the aoe bolts, then the aoe shackle, and then press tab – fire lance – tab – lance – tab – lance,…. this way you can kill your constructs just fine. and if there’s a second player in “ghost-form”. he can just hit the aoe spells right after you did, and the constructs are nearly dead halfway to the raid no problem really.

i personally like the way blizzard is going with boss encounters becoming more demanding of ALL ppl in a raid. i hated it when we took 40 ppl to Molten Core, and half of them could be afk, stupid, eating, or whatever and we still killed everything. i really enjoy 25 person raids, and even more 10, where every single one knows what to do, and you notice nearly every mistake.

now that may sound hard on those casual players out there. but i think you don’t have to be brilliant, or very talented, or used to shooters to sucessfully play your class in WoW. just read the guides before you enter new encounters, and do your best. ask if anything is unclear, and tell right away if you made a mistake. don’t be too shy to ask for help

I’ve never been a twitch player. In fact, I’m one of those people you mention who has never played any other games but WoW. My other game? Diner Dash.

<— not a twitch player.

I really really really hate the constructs. And I’ve felt really guilty when I don’t down them and cause a wipe. I know that the trend towards personal responsibility continues in BT and beyond, and that scares the crap out of me when I can’t do something that is supposedly so simple, as some of my guildies have said.

I’ll have to try out the macro that Matticus posted.

Thanks for this post – I’d never thought of the encounter compared to FPS games, and it makes me feel a bit better that perhaps my lack of experience with those is why I’m having problems; it’s not that I just suck!

Yeah, it sure is no replacement

We’re on our track heading towards Teron and have cleared the first three bosses in BT already. I’ll post some comments regarding the flash game as soon as I utterly fail with my druid there

Yes, we do have that link posted on the alliance website, and people have been practicing. The simulator gives you an idea of what to expect, but it surely is no replacement! We should be back on Teron next Saturday (we alternate our T6 raids…MH one week, BT the next), I think we’ll take him down this time.

I’ll pass that macro along to the alliance, see if anyone can get any use out of it. We made 17 attempts on Saturday, and we did get him down to as low as 8%. I’m sure we will get it done eventually.

@John

It’s not the fact that it IS challenging that bothers me, it’s the type of challenge. Essentially it boils down to a FPS minigame, and I don’t want FPS in my MMO. Don’t you think Call of Duty players would go nuts if one of the requirements to winning a deathmatch was a game of chess at the end? WoW is a game about strategy and planning, not twitch skills. Sure, it requires a degree of twitch skills, but everyone in our raid has show sufficient skills in that area to take down the content before Teron. Why does he change the rules so much?

There’s plenty of ways to get better at a skill you’re missing. If you care that much about running BT, and you’re a healer as you suggest… well, you just need to spend time doing something else to prepare youself. Too often I see players who want to raid harder content but dont want to make any effort. Why should I carry those players on my back? BT wouldnt be the challenge it is, if at some point, each player didnt have to step up to the plate. You have gear checks in raids: fights like these are skill checks for each and every player. If you’re guild cant get through it, you either need to change your players around, or forget about progression. I think thats perfectly fair. BT isnt for everyone. If it was, it woudn’t mean much.

Hopefully, the 10man instances will address a lot of these issues, enabling players with less committment or interest in hardcore raiding to see all of the content.

Anyway, if anyone’s having difficulty, try this macro:

/targetenemy
/cast Spirit Lance
/cast Spirit Lance
/cast Spirit Lance

Once you chain, just spam it. It will circle to all enemies, and as the spell has no gcd, it will apply the debuffs quickly. I personally don’t use the macro but a few of my guildies do. How it works is that it targets an enemy, hits ‘em with a Lance. And then when you hit it again, it’d target the next one and hit that mob with a lance. Just keep using it and it should go around in circles.

However, watch the GCD timer on the screen. It might not work properly if you press it too fast. Wait for it to recycle and reload.

Gorefiend, RoS, and Bloodboil and the three big humps in BT and most guilds spent significant amounts of time working on them.

Good luck and good hunting!