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		<title>By: Brandon Tilley</title>
		<link>http://www.parttimedruid.com/2008/06/19/tough-guild-decisions/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Tilley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a tough one. I know, because I&#039;m struggling with the exact same decision (even the same guild) right now. The only difference is I don&#039;t have a toon in T5 content.

I started playing on Shadowsong because I had friends there, but as time progressed, many of them have lost contact or moved on in some way, for one reason or another. My playtime has become rather solitary, and I don&#039;t like that one bit--but it&#039;s still so hard to leave behind old friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a tough one. I know, because I&#8217;m struggling with the exact same decision (even the same guild) right now. The only difference is I don&#8217;t have a toon in T5 content.</p>
<p>I started playing on Shadowsong because I had friends there, but as time progressed, many of them have lost contact or moved on in some way, for one reason or another. My playtime has become rather solitary, and I don&#8217;t like that one bit&#8211;but it&#8217;s still so hard to leave behind old friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Kromme</title>
		<link>http://www.parttimedruid.com/2008/06/19/tough-guild-decisions/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>Kromme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/quote:.....
Have any of you reading been with a guild for over 5 years?  Do you know anyone who has?  
/end quote

Umm yeah !!!!!!!  :)  The answer to both of those is YES !!!


Games ....... they come and go ... Bandits, last forever ....

oh well, call me a tad bit biased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/quote:&#8230;..<br />
Have any of you reading been with a guild for over 5 years?  Do you know anyone who has?<br />
/end quote</p>
<p>Umm yeah !!!!!!!  <img src='http://www.parttimedruid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   The answer to both of those is YES !!!</p>
<p>Games &#8230;&#8230;. they come and go &#8230; Bandits, last forever &#8230;.</p>
<p>oh well, call me a tad bit biased.</p>
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		<title>By: Matticus</title>
		<link>http://www.parttimedruid.com/2008/06/19/tough-guild-decisions/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Matticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust your instincts. They&#039;ve gotten you this far in life. The fact that you&#039;re even asking yourself this question shows that you already have an idea which way to lean. Logically speaking, you can&#039;t get much play time with the current organization. I&#039;m sure they&#039;re all great people and such. But what&#039;s the point of being around such great people if you don&#039;t get to play with them on your time and hours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust your instincts. They&#8217;ve gotten you this far in life. The fact that you&#8217;re even asking yourself this question shows that you already have an idea which way to lean. Logically speaking, you can&#8217;t get much play time with the current organization. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re all great people and such. But what&#8217;s the point of being around such great people if you don&#8217;t get to play with them on your time and hours?</p>
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		<title>By: rhene</title>
		<link>http://www.parttimedruid.com/2008/06/19/tough-guild-decisions/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>rhene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mum,

What you mention makes logical sense.

Let me just say though, the heart wants what the heart wants,

Earlier this year i got upset about a few trivial things and left the guild.

Not one day that I left and played on a differnt server or guild did I not miss my family

Many people may come and go in your gaming life but your family, gaming, real life or other lives in your heart and they will always bring you home, I found that out the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mum,</p>
<p>What you mention makes logical sense.</p>
<p>Let me just say though, the heart wants what the heart wants,</p>
<p>Earlier this year i got upset about a few trivial things and left the guild.</p>
<p>Not one day that I left and played on a differnt server or guild did I not miss my family</p>
<p>Many people may come and go in your gaming life but your family, gaming, real life or other lives in your heart and they will always bring you home, I found that out the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: shetl</title>
		<link>http://www.parttimedruid.com/2008/06/19/tough-guild-decisions/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>shetl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heyas Mum,I think .... you have it correct about the family thing,they come first and they will always come first :) I am fortunate enough to have both my wife and son play :) But if they didn&#039;t,well,they come first.About the turmoil of leaving,well,I know you have friends here and you have and will have new friends anywhere.Am I sad to see people leave our guild,yes indeedy,sometimes it bothers me so so very much.But....you have to be happy.My belief is that we have so little time here,that life is so short,that I try to make the most of every day.We will have our ups and downs,but I try to be happy as much as I can.I am so sure that if you do switch,Amy is not gonna kick you off the boards :) (she may throw you in the basement with naught but candy,but still....) For myself,I will remain by Amys side til she stops playing period.I was with her wayyy before she joined Failes guild,we may have separated a bit,but I always find myself by her side.And that&#039;s how I like it.If she left WoW tonight,and joined Runescape,well,Runescape here I come :) Don&#039;t kill yourself over this,do what you think is best.After reading your post,it sure seems like you want to move.Just do it,and if it doesn&#039;t work out,well,there is always Runescape ;) Just don&#039;t disappear for good bud !

I have no idea if this helps at all,but,be well and take care !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heyas Mum,I think &#8230;. you have it correct about the family thing,they come first and they will always come first <img src='http://www.parttimedruid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I am fortunate enough to have both my wife and son play <img src='http://www.parttimedruid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But if they didn&#8217;t,well,they come first.About the turmoil of leaving,well,I know you have friends here and you have and will have new friends anywhere.Am I sad to see people leave our guild,yes indeedy,sometimes it bothers me so so very much.But&#8230;.you have to be happy.My belief is that we have so little time here,that life is so short,that I try to make the most of every day.We will have our ups and downs,but I try to be happy as much as I can.I am so sure that if you do switch,Amy is not gonna kick you off the boards <img src='http://www.parttimedruid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (she may throw you in the basement with naught but candy,but still&#8230;.) For myself,I will remain by Amys side til she stops playing period.I was with her wayyy before she joined Failes guild,we may have separated a bit,but I always find myself by her side.And that&#8217;s how I like it.If she left WoW tonight,and joined Runescape,well,Runescape here I come <img src='http://www.parttimedruid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Don&#8217;t kill yourself over this,do what you think is best.After reading your post,it sure seems like you want to move.Just do it,and if it doesn&#8217;t work out,well,there is always Runescape <img src='http://www.parttimedruid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Just don&#8217;t disappear for good bud !</p>
<p>I have no idea if this helps at all,but,be well and take care !</p>
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		<title>By: Gamoto</title>
		<link>http://www.parttimedruid.com/2008/06/19/tough-guild-decisions/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Gamoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mum, if i was in the same position as you were i would probably transfer my characters over and see how everything goes. just because your not a bandit in WoW, doesn&#039;t mean your not a bandit. some might say so, but not in my book. i know we have not played together very much but i do notice that we are both logged on usually at the same times. PvP has become one of my favorite things to do in WoW. Which is good because it doesnt hinge on the fact of forming a group for advancement, unless you get into Arenas. Although it is very easy to find an arena team need one&#039;s services. something you might already be aware of if that currently a bunch of us from WW have shifted over to cho&#039;gal and started horde toons. we figured we PvP&#039;d together so much was that the next logical step would be to go to a PvP server. since character transfers are not allowed PvE to PvP we all had to reroll. This is the most fun ive had in a MMORPG since playing on the Darktide server for Asheron&#039;s Call. i mean its just a video game, if your not enjoying it then why bother. some people like to watch sports center at night, others like to knock back a couple of brewskies. it seems like you enjoy to play WoW. so go ahead, your allowed to enjoy it. who cares if some people get upset. tough. its your 15 bucks a month and its your time not theirs. do what you want with it. 

P.S, great blog bro,  i love reading it as i have rolled a druid over on Cho&#039;gal. keep up the great work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mum, if i was in the same position as you were i would probably transfer my characters over and see how everything goes. just because your not a bandit in WoW, doesn&#8217;t mean your not a bandit. some might say so, but not in my book. i know we have not played together very much but i do notice that we are both logged on usually at the same times. PvP has become one of my favorite things to do in WoW. Which is good because it doesnt hinge on the fact of forming a group for advancement, unless you get into Arenas. Although it is very easy to find an arena team need one&#8217;s services. something you might already be aware of if that currently a bunch of us from WW have shifted over to cho&#8217;gal and started horde toons. we figured we PvP&#8217;d together so much was that the next logical step would be to go to a PvP server. since character transfers are not allowed PvE to PvP we all had to reroll. This is the most fun ive had in a MMORPG since playing on the Darktide server for Asheron&#8217;s Call. i mean its just a video game, if your not enjoying it then why bother. some people like to watch sports center at night, others like to knock back a couple of brewskies. it seems like you enjoy to play WoW. so go ahead, your allowed to enjoy it. who cares if some people get upset. tough. its your 15 bucks a month and its your time not theirs. do what you want with it. </p>
<p>P.S, great blog bro,  i love reading it as i have rolled a druid over on Cho&#8217;gal. keep up the great work.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoemae</title>
		<link>http://www.parttimedruid.com/2008/06/19/tough-guild-decisions/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoemae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, tough call.  I&#039;ve been in my current guild for 4.5 years (the first 3.5 of that in FFXI, the last year primarily in WoW), and I can&#039;t imagine leaving them.  That said though, I&#039;m on Eastern time, as are many of the other members.  The raids do run later than I&#039;d like, but as I&#039;m fairly casual, I don&#039;t see me ever leaving for another guild since I&#039;ve been with them so long.  I made a character on another server and just could not get in to it at all, because I didn&#039;t have my friends from my old guild with me.

We&#039;ve had several people who&#039;ve been mainstays of my guild move a character or 2 to a more raid timing-conducive guild.  We actually have a separate chat channel for just that reason, to keep everyone &quot;together&quot; per se, but allow people to have alts in other guilds if it fits their schedule better.  That obviously wouldn&#039;t help in a situation like yours though, where the guilds are on 2 different servers.

I&#039;d say at least keep either your hunter or your main with your present guild.  Transferring both would mean you seldom play with your old friends at all, which would be a huge bummer.  It&#039;s your call obviously but I think you&#039;ll have some guild withdrawals if you don&#039;t keep one of your 70&#039;s over there.  Play a bit on your priest with the new guys, make sure they fit you well, and then considering another character other, I&#039;d suggest.

Hope that&#039;s helpful...that&#039;s a really hard decision to make :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, tough call.  I&#8217;ve been in my current guild for 4.5 years (the first 3.5 of that in FFXI, the last year primarily in WoW), and I can&#8217;t imagine leaving them.  That said though, I&#8217;m on Eastern time, as are many of the other members.  The raids do run later than I&#8217;d like, but as I&#8217;m fairly casual, I don&#8217;t see me ever leaving for another guild since I&#8217;ve been with them so long.  I made a character on another server and just could not get in to it at all, because I didn&#8217;t have my friends from my old guild with me.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had several people who&#8217;ve been mainstays of my guild move a character or 2 to a more raid timing-conducive guild.  We actually have a separate chat channel for just that reason, to keep everyone &#8220;together&#8221; per se, but allow people to have alts in other guilds if it fits their schedule better.  That obviously wouldn&#8217;t help in a situation like yours though, where the guilds are on 2 different servers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say at least keep either your hunter or your main with your present guild.  Transferring both would mean you seldom play with your old friends at all, which would be a huge bummer.  It&#8217;s your call obviously but I think you&#8217;ll have some guild withdrawals if you don&#8217;t keep one of your 70&#8242;s over there.  Play a bit on your priest with the new guys, make sure they fit you well, and then considering another character other, I&#8217;d suggest.</p>
<p>Hope that&#8217;s helpful&#8230;that&#8217;s a really hard decision to make <img src='http://www.parttimedruid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PTD</title>
		<link>http://www.parttimedruid.com/2008/06/19/tough-guild-decisions/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>PTD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jess--

I definitely don&#039;t have any REAL issues with my guild as you did.  Mine is more a question of convenience.

@Moobar--

Thanks for your thoughts.  Basically, the way that I am able to raid is just like the way I&#039;m able to play at all.  I schedule my time to do so, and schedule it for when the baby and wife are already in bed.  This plays into the problems I have, as I&#039;m almost never on during my server and guild &quot;prime time.&quot;

@Din--

Certainly, at least some of this has to do with the lack of people playing right now, but actually this only set off what I&#039;ve been thinking for some time.  I&#039;ve always kind of been &quot;out of the loop&quot; with guild events, always.  One of the things that has really kept me going is the times we are raiding with Slack.  I can work that into my schedule pretty easily.  

@Barona--

One of the options I am considering now is to just leave my raiding druid where he is.  I&#039;d hate to miss out on seeing further progression in T5 content, and it would give me an avenue of still playing with my old guild when I wanted to.

@Valthan--

Again, splitting time is an option right now.  I&#039;m just not sure HOW I would split that time.

@Ease--

You do make a compelling argument that I should go whole hog if I&#039;m going to do it at all.  My playtime is limited, and splitting that already limited playtime by server/guild could make things worse for me.  Also thanks for the kind words.  :)

@Clest--

I linked to the post right away so everyone could see, as I thought it was just as easy as doing it twice.  I largely live my WoW life through this blog, now, and part of that is sharing my experiences and thoughts on the game without reservation.  I also made a point to PM Amy before I even began writing the post to give her a heads up.    

Although it is true we&#039;ve been through this before, even during the good times my schedule puts me on the fringe.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve EVER been on a guild raid beyond Kara, and I was the first bandit to play WoW.  (And I still remember some people getting testy about me singing its praises too much!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jess&#8211;</p>
<p>I definitely don&#8217;t have any REAL issues with my guild as you did.  Mine is more a question of convenience.</p>
<p>@Moobar&#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts.  Basically, the way that I am able to raid is just like the way I&#8217;m able to play at all.  I schedule my time to do so, and schedule it for when the baby and wife are already in bed.  This plays into the problems I have, as I&#8217;m almost never on during my server and guild &#8220;prime time.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Din&#8211;</p>
<p>Certainly, at least some of this has to do with the lack of people playing right now, but actually this only set off what I&#8217;ve been thinking for some time.  I&#8217;ve always kind of been &#8220;out of the loop&#8221; with guild events, always.  One of the things that has really kept me going is the times we are raiding with Slack.  I can work that into my schedule pretty easily.  </p>
<p>@Barona&#8211;</p>
<p>One of the options I am considering now is to just leave my raiding druid where he is.  I&#8217;d hate to miss out on seeing further progression in T5 content, and it would give me an avenue of still playing with my old guild when I wanted to.</p>
<p>@Valthan&#8211;</p>
<p>Again, splitting time is an option right now.  I&#8217;m just not sure HOW I would split that time.</p>
<p>@Ease&#8211;</p>
<p>You do make a compelling argument that I should go whole hog if I&#8217;m going to do it at all.  My playtime is limited, and splitting that already limited playtime by server/guild could make things worse for me.  Also thanks for the kind words.  <img src='http://www.parttimedruid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Clest&#8211;</p>
<p>I linked to the post right away so everyone could see, as I thought it was just as easy as doing it twice.  I largely live my WoW life through this blog, now, and part of that is sharing my experiences and thoughts on the game without reservation.  I also made a point to PM Amy before I even began writing the post to give her a heads up.    </p>
<p>Although it is true we&#8217;ve been through this before, even during the good times my schedule puts me on the fringe.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve EVER been on a guild raid beyond Kara, and I was the first bandit to play WoW.  (And I still remember some people getting testy about me singing its praises too much!)</p>
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		<title>By: jezrael</title>
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		<dc:creator>jezrael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I have any particularly good advice to give beyond what the other posters have said before me. But I can share a personal ancedote - before starting WoW I played another little MMOG called Puzzle Pirates. I met a lot of cool people while playing and although I moved on to play only Warcraft after I realised I can&#039;t support two MMOG habits (hehe) I still remain in contact with many of them. 

If you want to be able to play at the same time as (more) other people there are a couple of choices - try and make connections with more people playing the same times as you on your server, or take the plunge and make new friends with new people on a new server. Could I overuse the term &#039;new&#039; any more? The point is - making new friends doesn&#039;t mean losing the old ones imo :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I have any particularly good advice to give beyond what the other posters have said before me. But I can share a personal ancedote &#8211; before starting WoW I played another little MMOG called Puzzle Pirates. I met a lot of cool people while playing and although I moved on to play only Warcraft after I realised I can&#8217;t support two MMOG habits (hehe) I still remain in contact with many of them. </p>
<p>If you want to be able to play at the same time as (more) other people there are a couple of choices &#8211; try and make connections with more people playing the same times as you on your server, or take the plunge and make new friends with new people on a new server. Could I overuse the term &#8216;new&#8217; any more? The point is &#8211; making new friends doesn&#8217;t mean losing the old ones imo <img src='http://www.parttimedruid.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clest</title>
		<link>http://www.parttimedruid.com/2008/06/19/tough-guild-decisions/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Clest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m rather surprised you presented this here first instead of in the forums for your guildies to see.

3 things - 

1 - when TBC came out Bandits were running 5 mans and things into the early hours of the morning. Why? They were super excited about new content. Why aren&#039;t they doing that now? They are bored. When the expansion comes out I can almost guarantee they&#039;ll be back in all over again.

2 - splitting your time between two servers is silly. You are a very consuming person, which is fine, and one of your characters will get all your time and energy.

3 - like Ease said, &quot;you know your guild&quot;. You also know that this is a cycle of a casual guild. It&#039;s happened before, it&#039;s happening again, and undoubtedly it will happen in the future.

We will always be here, in some form of game. You just need to decide what to do with your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m rather surprised you presented this here first instead of in the forums for your guildies to see.</p>
<p>3 things &#8211; </p>
<p>1 &#8211; when TBC came out Bandits were running 5 mans and things into the early hours of the morning. Why? They were super excited about new content. Why aren&#8217;t they doing that now? They are bored. When the expansion comes out I can almost guarantee they&#8217;ll be back in all over again.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; splitting your time between two servers is silly. You are a very consuming person, which is fine, and one of your characters will get all your time and energy.</p>
<p>3 &#8211; like Ease said, &#8220;you know your guild&#8221;. You also know that this is a cycle of a casual guild. It&#8217;s happened before, it&#8217;s happening again, and undoubtedly it will happen in the future.</p>
<p>We will always be here, in some form of game. You just need to decide what to do with your time.</p>
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